Hello, I am Julia Zemiro and welcome to Home Delivery.
Just up here, thank you, driver.
I have a habit of a thing called opening my mouth.
This series I'm going to be taking
some extraordinary actors and musicians...
What I really wanted to do was to be in a great rock'n'roll band.
Do you think you come from a conventional family?
(LAUGHS)
..comedians and thinkers...
I am only here for the beer.
..back to their childhood selves...
This room was just everything.
..and find out what has made them the people they are today.
TIM FERGUSON: I got a scholarship just because
everyone else in the class was really stupid.
I'm in Two Wells in the badlands of the Adelaide Plains
to meet one of Australia's most-beloved journalists.
She is a columnist, a TV host and a political commentator
who makes words dance off the page.
She is a thinking person's thinking person.
It's Annabel Crabb.
Oh.
Hello. Hello!
How are you? Two Wells!
Welcome to the Wells. How exciting.
Are you loving my home town? I'm loving your home town.
Where have you been? Have you been... Nowhere.
Hey, tell me about Two Wells. What kind of a country town is it?
Well, it's, uh... Well, see I have already gone with a well.
I know. Um, it's a small one.
It's in the middle sort of farming areas and also market garden areas.
Very nice. Not very far from Adelaide.
So about an hour's drive... tops. Population?
Oh, I don't know, a couple of thousand.
That's it? Yeah. We're a literalist people.
So it was named because the early settlers dug two wells.
Not one, just two, 'cause you always need a spare.
Right.
So the town became known as Two Wells.
Now, modern things... This is a replica well...
Look at this! ..that is now a barbecue.
That's good news, isn't it? Yeah.
What's it like growing up in a small country town for you?
What was that, for you?
Well, I was, I was actually not a town-dwelling child
because, um, the farm where I grew up
is about, like, ten kays thattaway,
so I dreamed of living in the metropolis,
where you could ride down the shop
and get yourself a bag of mixed lollies for 20 cents.
Will you take us to your farm? Yeah, course.
♪ Jump in my car
♪ I wanna take you home
♪ Jump in my car
♪ It's too far to walk on your own. ♪
Annabel Crabb is a journalist, television presenter
and devoted cook.
She made her name combining astute chief political commentary
with wit and irreverence.
Kind of looks a bit like a license to break election promises.
Starting at the Advertiser, then the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age
she won a Walkley Award in 2009
for her Quarterly Essay
Stop At Nothing: The Life And Adventures Of Malcolm Turnbull.
She's released her own cookbook
and has hosted several series of Kitchen Cabinet.
A Labor MP, a Liberal MP and a journalist
walk into the tiny kitchen of a Chinese restaurant.
What will happen next?
Her online and podcast adventures with friend Leigh Sales
have also made her one of the country's most popular broadcasters.
OK, there we go. Thank you.
Don't tell me we're turning into Singing Creek?
Singing Creek is my childhood home.
It wasn't called Singing Creek when I was a kid
but Mum and Dad decided to give it a name
'cause it is just hard for people to find
and they just had a bit of a workshop
and Dad came up with Singing Creek
because all the little crickets
and frogs and birds that hang around the creek
do make a little bit of a singing noise.
That is beautiful.
And is that it up ahead? Yeah, that's it.
Here we are, but we won't use the actual front door
'cause no-one has ever used that front door.
Is that right? Yeah.
So your parents still live here... Yeah, yeah.
It's still your family home. I'm here all the time.
It's really lovely to come back here
and my kids, who are aged 10, 6 and 4,
you can imagine what it's like coming to stay here.
There's just all of the things, you know?
There is just all of the things. All of the things.
Beautiful garden.
Uh, so this is all my mum, who is a gardening genius.
She propagates seeds and she's planted some perennials.
There's a lot of Statice there 'cause she loves a statice symbol.
(CHUCKLES) A little botanical gag for you there.
See what she did there. Oh, I love a botanical gag.
It's random. See this big tank here.
That used to be a rainwater tank, when I was a kid,
but I'll show you what my mother did to it.
She's turned it into a garden.
It's under construction at the moment...
How fantastic!
..so she will probably hate me showing you that
but she's making it all hydroponically brilliant.
What a great idea, though. Anyway... Yes.
Look, today is a good day. I'll say.
But on an average day there would be about 30 million flies.
Already doing this. See, look at that.
But it's usually worse. Yeah, it's worse.
It's usually worse.
So, my dad built this, which is a fly-free zone,
that you can entertain in.
(GASPS) Oh, no way!
Way.
Have you used this many times?
Yes. Yes, many times.
The thing about the Adelaide Plains, it is super hot and glary in summer,
so anything that filters out the light a bit feels...
..has a luxurious feel.
Beautiful. It is beautiful, isn't it?
Beautiful. Take us inside. Alright, I will.
I will let you in, please. Thank you very much.
The door is always open.
So this is the kitchen...
Now, of course, with you, Annabel, the kitchen is a place
where I've been looking forward to visiting.
You lived here with your dad, Mac, your mum, Cristobel...
My brothers...
..older brother, James, younger brother, Tom.
Correct.
And this would have been a place where Cristobel...
Now, can we assume that that's where you get your cooking from?
From Cristobel? Totally. Yeah.
So, there was always a big bench here, and Cristobel...
Look, she is a lady who is always...
She is one of those people who's like a bit of a reading a magazine,
"Ooh, snip that out," and then it goes into a bit of a...
She's got... Yeah.
I knew there would be a folder here somewhere, right?
She has really winnowed her current working folder down,
but, you know, look at that.
Lady uses Post-it notes like you wouldn't believe.
Oh, turkey nugget.
See, all of these will get baked at some point.
This afternoon she is running a sponge roll workshop
for the Two Well CWA.
She is making a yule log.
Which is...?
Which is a sort of a sponge roll
that then has sort of chocolate icing
that you then drag a fork along so that it looks like a log.
And then, she's a bit of a preserving lady
so there's all of her preserving situations.
(GASPS)
I know. It's like walking into heaven.
So this is my old room
and it's a bit different from when I was here,
'cause I had a big wardrobe there that held my clothes in it
and there was only one single bed in here.
And my children sleep here and Mum, she makes them little toys.
Check this out.
This is the bilby that she knitted for them.
(GASPS)
I know, right?
She's made, um... them a penguin
although she ran out of interest when the flippers needed to be done,
so it's now just like...
Oh, it's a penguin with no flippers. Yep.
I know you're a big reader. Mm.
How early did you start reading and how voracious were you?
Uh... Yeah, I read a lot from a really young age.
I remember reading Lolita when I was really, like, pretty little,
well, I was probably about 12 or something...
Did you think it was a lovely story about a young girl called Lolita?
Yeah, no, I just didn't really get it.
And I just didn't get why it was so controversial either.
How did you know it was controversial?
I knew it was controversial - that's why I started reading it.
But I was just like, "Oh. OK."
But of course it is now one of my all-time, all-time favourite books.
So this used to be my brother James's room.
This is, I think, my granny's old cot...
(GASPS) Annabel!
..that she used to sleep in when she was a baby
and my mum and dad have, like, sanded it all off
and now my little baby sleeps in it.
Well, she's four, so she is a bit big but still loves it.
"Mum, do I still have to sleep here?"
Yeah, no, no, loves it. That is amazing.
And this is the...
..my family heirloom treasure,
like, in a fire this is what I would save.
So this is a blanket that my mum knitted.
It's from wool that Dad shore
and that she then collected and washed
and carded and spun and knitted and dyed herself.
The hand-knitted rug is a real speciality of hers.
And this is my favourite one ever
because so much ludicrous work went into it.
Right, so through here...
Hang on, look. There's our height chart.
Oh, no way.
So this has got me and my brother James and my brother Tom on it.
Oh, there's James there. There's James.
There is Anna, November '78.
So that's how tall I was when I was five.
Oh, that is fantastic.
That is gorgeous, Annabel.
This is quite an incredible house, I have to say, Annabel.
I have never had a home this long, ever,
to come back to.
To me, I learnt early to cut off.
So the notion of feeling like you're somewhere that has memories
is a bit foreign to me.
I can't imagine what it must be like
and I guess you can't until it's gone, I suppose.
Yeah, you're right. Oh, God!
No, you're quite right.
Although it's funny because a lot of my memories of...
..you know when you were a kid and things seemed so much bigger
but there is so much about this house that is the same
that it feels, um...
It's just... an intense familiarity
that is unlike anything else, I think, in my life.
This was a working farm when you were a kid and still is.
Still is, yep.
So it's mainly... Cereal crops but there's also sheep.
And the tricky thing about this farm is there are two properties.
So there's the one that we're now on that has the house on it
and that's, um, got lots of crops around,
but the sheep are at the other property a bit further up the road.
It goes all the way to the beach,
which is not a kind of like "Hello, Hawaii!" type beach.
It's like a tidal beach.
Very good for crabbing. Great.
Did a lot of crabbing when we were kids.
The thing that stuns me when I think about growing up here
was the amount of time that we just spent totally AWOL.
Let's go down to the creek. Will you take me?
Sure.
So this was our playground, pretty much,
but the trees are so beautiful, the river gums.
It is amazing!
And they've all got their roots quite exposed,
which means you can climb on them, you can build cubby houses.
But because the river would be, like, flowing
for a couple of months a year
and it was very exciting when you'd, like, wake up in the morning
and you'd see this little dribble of creek arriving.
Once the river sort of slowed down and it's not flowing anymore
and it's just pools like this,
that's quite an exciting part as well
because then you can start your yabbying activities.
Yabbies! Yeah.
And is it true your brother once shot you?
Yeah, he did shoot me, yeah, in the face.
In the face. What with?
We had air rifles, you know, so, like, little slug guns.
And we'd go shooting, we'd shoot...
We used to shoot rats in the big shed.
You don't look like you've been shot in the face.
Well, it was a ricochet. It just sort of hit me in the forehead.
I mean, it really wasn't a bad injury at all.
In fact, we thought it was hilarious,
and I don't think I ever really thought,
(LAUGHS) "Wouldn't that have been hilarious if it went in my eye?"
But you know we just said, "Let's just not mention that."
Yep. So we didn't.
Let's move on. Yeah.
Now, Annabel, tell me about your dad.
My dad is like a good lunatic.
He is a regional character, I'd say.
He brought a hovercraft from a guy in a pub once.
Right.
Hey, Dad. Mac. Hello.
How are you?
I'm going to go in for the hug. Oh, God.
Oh, that's good.
Might have to jackhammer you out of there.
Oh, really, do you think? Yeah.
Hi, Mac. How are you? Good.
You can face us now that you've... What are you actually fixing there?
A horse. A horse.
Now, Mac, before we go on...
You got to stay in one spot while we interview you.
I just want to get part of my tools.
Oh, part of your tools... What are you making?
This is for...
You're scaring me slightly with that hook.
You're not running this conversation, just FYI.
I will in a minute. Welcome to my childhood.
This is a come-here hook. Is it a come-here hook?
I don't believe you need to use that, Mac?
That's a bale hook. That's for loading bales of wool.
Right. Hey, Mac? Mm?
What was Annabel like as a young girl?
Ah, very independent. Oh.
Would you say she's still independent?
Yep. Yep.
Was that by luck or design that you...
Ah, we have three children, all independent.
One's an artist. Mm.
One's a...
The youngest one is a shipwright and blue-water sailor.
Right.
Now, did you ever think that Annabel would become a journalist?
Ah, I wanted her to be...
Who was the lady that wrote The Wind In The Willows?
He is really waiting for me
to write a children's book about tiny creatures in the riverbank.
Bingo. I might get there.
Now, um, I can see it out of the corner of my eye,
and I really want to get closer.
Mac, will you show us the hovercraft?
What a beast of a thing.
So, what did you initially get it for?
Well, I thought it must have been a hoon.
It's got a hoon motor in it, goes like the hammers.
One of my children can no longer be around any sort of fan device,
because when she was a tiny child,
Grandpa thought, "I'll just entertain this infant
"by firing this thing up about a meter away."
So, yeah, can't ever dry her hands in those sort of hand dryer things.
She is like... She's a bloody sook, isn't she?
She is a sook, yeah.
Well, the thing is, you know... I mean, that's the thing.
When you grow up on the land it makes you very tough.
I'll tell you how tough she is.
We were riding...
..she was riding a pushbike down the paddock one day...
I was riding it and she was sitting on the seat on the back
and when it came back, she got her leg...
..got her leg between the spokes...
"Get your feet out, Annabel!"
..between the spokes and the fork...
..and she got off and she didn't even grizzle
and her ankle was fully exposed.
I nearly fainted. To the bone.
To the bone!
Wow. I've still got the scar from that.
That's impressive. I thought it was.
Mac, we're going to go to town now to meet the lovely Cristobel.
Thank you so much. See ya.
Hey, does everyone in Two Wells know one another?
No, I don't think so.
Of course, you run into each other unavoidably
and so you get to know most of the people around the place.
The other thing is that
people are all experiencing things at the same time
and that's what makes country communities a bit different,
I think.
So if there's a fire, you know, like there was here not that long ago,
or particularly a bloody... a drought, you know...
Mm.
..everybody is going through it at the same time.
But you stay here because of the community
and because they want to bring their kids up in the country.
And, you know, I think about that a lot.
It's one of the things I feel bad about as a parent
is that I haven't given my kids this life,
which was just so useful to me
and, um, just learning how to do stuff
and how to kind of cope on my own, I suppose.
We're off to the craft shop to meet your mum.
I love the craft shop.
If I'm driving in any other state or country area
I will always go to the craft shop.
Oh! It's just a real "I'm sunburnt, I'm sunburnt!
"Now I'm in the shade, I'm in the shade."
We're getting in the shade.
Alright, here's the craft shop.
Fantastic. Exciting.
Oh! Hello.
Amazing!
So the craft shop is run by, like, a hard-core coterie of crafters.
Right.
This is probably my favourite area
because you've got a lot of, uh, knitted items here.
I like to just check the tea cosies.
Also people do extraordinary things with doorstops these days,
don't they?
Look at that. You too can have one of these.
That is lovely. That is gorgeous!
Is your mum here? Mum, are you in here?
Hopefully she is.
She is! Come on down, Cristobel. Cristobel Crabb.
Oh, come on down.
Look at this shop! It's incredible.
How important are these kind of shops in a small country town
in terms of how the place works?
Well, I think they're vital and that's why I come and volunteer.
This one has been going for over 40 years.
And as a part of the town, it's a bit of a social gathering.
New people to the town can come in, chat to...
Because there are about, I don't know, 16 volunteers a week.
I only work half a day a month. I am really a very small cog.
Now, is Annabel crafty? But it's good.
Has Annabel got the crafty gene?
Oh, look at that knitted brow. She's like...
Well, I wish she was a little more.
She did do little bits and pieces, actually.
I can remember her making a... a strawberry pincushion
to bring in to the shop.
That's right. How lovely. Excellent.
And it was, yes... And they sold like...
Hot cakes. All one of them.
Are you surprised that Annabel's taken to cooking?
You know, she does so many wonderful things already
and you're thinking there's this cooking,
which is a very different element to the rest of her work,
to journalism and to politics.
Well, I think it's wonderful
because I think cooking is just... one of the basics of life...
Mmm. ..and it keeps you grounded.
So, no, I'm very impressed
and I am hoping that it goes into the next generation as well.
I don't know if I ever really knew
what I was going to do at all, actually.
I knew I wanted to go to university.
You've been somebody who has seen an opportunity and grabbed it.
That's really what it is.
Yes, because of lack of preparation elsewhere.
Because, um, but then, you know, you hear of people saying,
"Oh, I didn't know anything about it but I said yes
"and then worked out what it was about,"
and you have sort of been a bit like that.
Yes.
But things have been available
and you've thought, "I can do that,"
and so you've taken up the opportunities.
Excellent.
Because the cooking one was...
That's sort of really come out of left field a bit, hasn't it?
Thank you, thank you so much, Cristobel.
Great to meet you. Great to have you.
What is this special walk here?
It's a historic recognition of famous townsfolk.
And some lovely... statues?
Wow. They've really had their heads knocked off.
So this is Two Wells Primary?
Yeah, but new buildings. This is new.
This all used to be a playground and now it's obviously extra buildings.
This is old.
This is where the Year 1s and so on were
and that's where I first arrived when this school was built.
And that grapevine was planted by a kid...
No. ..and look at it now.
A kid, really? Yeah.
I hope he's a winemaker now. (LAUGHS)
All of these areas that had shade
used to just be full of kids huddling,
because it would be just too hot to be outside.
Big, beautiful trees.
Yeah, we used to play in these trees.
And were you sporty, Annabel? Oh...
There was a great year where I was...
..uh, the Most Improved trophy winner at hockey.
Wow.
We were short so we were hockey people.
We used to train here
and that was the footy field over there.
And then, just on the other side,
like, right on the edge of this playground
there's a train line and that's where the Ghan goes through.
(GASPS) How exciting's that? Yeah, I know, yeah.
The Ghan everyday. Absolutely.
And it would never stop but it would rumble past
and that was very exciting.
Let's go and find a lovely cool place to sit.
Mm.
It's amazing how little it's changed, really.
And this is our school hall...
Oh, my God, it's air-conditioned! What?!
What?!
Not air conditioned when you were young?
No. No.
Now, I love that we have got some honour boards up here,
and look who's first up
on the Carolyn Hart Award for Academic Excellence in Year 7.
Now, what kind of student were you? That's very cool.
Were you... I was a swat.
No, I was a very enthusiastic student.
I was interested in most things.
You know, I read a lot and I was a good student.
I think I picked things up pretty fast.
Would you say you were precocious?
Yes, probably. Yeah.
Primary school sounds like it was terrific
but after that, you went to the Wilderness School?
Right, so when I was about 12, maybe 11, I don't know,
when I was in my final year of primary school here,
we just got this call saying,
"Well, she has got a scholarship to go to this Wilderness School,"
which is a boarding school, and so I went there as a boarder.
So I went from, you know, living on the farm
to just like, "Oh! Now I live in Adelaide and I am 12."
Did you deal with that well? I did.
I just don't remember it being a big deal at all, which is really weird.
I think back about that and I think
those two lifestyles could not be more different.
I just think it must have been really hard for my parents as well,
which I never really thought about at the time
because it was me, me, me, all about me.
And I, you know, I really, I enjoyed boarding school.
I probably got a bit homesick once or twice early on
but then just was right into it, you know?
What's interesting at your uni
is that so many of the people you subsequently now
work, sort of, for and with, are there.
So Nick Xenophon had gone to that university...
Yep.
Penny Wong, Christopher Pyne, Mark Butler.
I only passed my law degree because somebody...
..had a copy of Penny Wong's notes for evidence
that I... you know.
So she has helped you cheat your way through?
But let me just say she was not a contributing party.
She didn't know.
You know, back in those days
where you couldn't just, you know, take a little lecture pill and...
You know, they are all podcast
and if you miss a lecture it doesn't matter,
but back then if you missed a lecture, you needed notes.
And so there was a great, um...
..there was a great... there was a great premium
of the notes of anyone who had a fine brain and neat handwriting,
and Penny Wong was both of those things, so...
Perfect.
Her notes were, uh, worth a lot on the black market.
And then, um, I suppose when I got to the end of my law degree
I thought, "Oh, I'm not sure that I really want to practice,"
and then a friend of mine, who was a journalist, said
"Why don't you go and do a cadetship test at the Advertiser?",
which is the Adelaide paper.
They had an intake of about, I think...
..possibly 12 cadets that year.
That doesn't happen any more. They don't hire that many new journos.
But I was told by the editor of the day that I was the number 12 pick
'cause my general knowledge was not great
but my spelling was outstanding.
Is it odd, though, having seen those people drink in a... you know, at uni
and knowing what they're kind of like, really,
is it strange, then, having to be in this professional world now
where you interview them?
Nope.
Because they were not that different back then from the way they are.
Are you the person now that you were at uni, do you think?
I am pretty similar, I would think.
I was a feminist, really.
I was a kind of campus femo
and I was women's officer one year of the students association.
Yeah, I don't know I am still kind of a bit like that.
I am probably a bit less extreme in my sort of feministy views, I think.
I am nervous of dogma, you know?
I am full of doubts myself about lots of things.
I could never, I think, be so dogmatically of one view
that I wouldn't, at some point
during some crucial convincing process think,
"Well, hang on a minute, maybe you are a bit right. Maybe I'm wrong."
And open up? Yeah.
We're not going to Adelaide, because we don't have to,
because we are going to the Humpy.
What is the Humpy?
The Humpy is a special way for my dad to get closer
to the very remote land on the beach at the edge of the farm, right?
He's obsessed with the bird life and the landscape and the beach,
and so he built himself a little hidey-hole there.
A hidey-hole. A hidey-hole.
It's built from little things he found lying around.
Right.
Adelaide Plains' most exclusive address.
(LAUGHS)
Ta-da! Ta-da!
So in the case of local planning law challenge,
its defence is that it's a mobile structure and not a permanent one.
Can I go up? Please, after you. Please.
So, I'll give you a little highlights tour.
Do.
Um, let's step into this accommodation first.
Yes. It's a bedroom! It's a bedroom.
So you can... you can tuck in here. A good sleep there?
Killer view, as you can see. It is a killer view.
And, uh, it has a...
..solar-powered shower.
There's been a kangaroo in here.
A kangaroo has come in here and had a shower.
I think the kangaroo has mistaken this for the toilet,
which is next door.
Oh, look at that. Look at that!
There's a dead bird.
And then, of course, there's this! It's like being in Mad Max.
This is great.
I mean this is like, it's like Google Earth, except it's real.
Look, exactly right.
And that's the ocean out there. That is the ocean.
It's so strange because back at the farm
you feel like you're so inland...
I know but the ocean's not far away.
And then you come here and there she is.
Let's go and have a little sit-down in the shade.
Where do you think you're at peace most?
Oh, I am definitely at peace out here.
It's very meditative.
I am not often at peace
because my life is really...
I am just, my brain is going, always, thinking,
"Who needs to be picked up? Who needs to be taken here?
"I need to get this done, I need to write that, I need to post that."
You know, there's... It's just really busy.
But I reckon when I'm at home... I find peace when I'm cooking.
Like, I really, really do. I thought as much.
Yeah, and at the end of it there'll be something for my kids to eat,
so it's like a really good piece of multi-tasking.
What made you head to the political side of reporting?
I like meeting people.
I like meeting kind of unusual people, I suppose.
And people in politics are just... crackers, really.
You meet some unusual character types.
They are the sort of people that I could never be...
Like, I would never be that sort of personality
but I am quite drawn to seeing how they proceed
in a life that is full of madness, really,
and a life in which the things that you go into it wanting to do
are absolutely frustrated at every turn
by, um, all sorts of circumstance, you know?
What ends up being pooped out the end is of great interest to me
in those circumstances.
You've interviewed so many politicians.
Are there one or two favourite chats,
like, people that you just love their charisma?
You are always looking for something different every time.
I am always just trying to find something about that person
that not everybody knows.
The one advantage in going to somebody's house
and going in their kitchen
is that it's actually impossible for a politician in that circumstance
to answer questions in the way that they would if you were in a studio.
If you take the pressure off people and you are kind of polite to them
and you let them just talk about
whatever it is they want to talk about,
the choices that they make about what they're gonna tell you
is so interesting.
It tells you so much about how they see themselves,
and that is really useful because politics is subjective.
Where do you think you'll be in 10 years time?
Well, like all busy people, I think, "Oh, I would just love to have a day
"where I don't have to do anything,"
but of course on the odd occasion that ever happens,
I just sit there thinking, "Oh, God..."
"I should be doing something!"
I get all paranoid and kind of short of breath.
This is very... Revealing me as being a very sick person
who just needs some serious meditation.
I'm aware of that, and I'll do that when I get a moment.
And you have given up a whole day just for us.
I really appreciate that. No, this has been fun.
And I do think, you know...
Nobody has heard...
Like, 95% of Australians will not have heard of my country town
and where I... my little area,
but it's just a slice of the world
that accommodates a lot of people that I know and love
and there's something about your home that is hugely influential
in who you are, where your friends were,
what you learned when you were really, really, um, impressionable,
and country towns are a good place to grow up, I reckon.
They just teach you about the functioning of society,
you know, really efficiently.
If little 12-year-old Annabel were to pop up now
what would you say to her?
I probably wouldn't listen to myself anyway so there'd be no point.
Um... I don't know.
I would just say, "Be interested in things."
You know, "Be curious." Be curious.
And it's the most important attribute you can have,
like, certainly in journalism, to just not be bored by people
and to be interested and to always keep your eyes open
and be driven by a spirit of inquiry, I suppose.
It's been amazing spending the day with you, Annabel.
I was so looking forward to it.
Such an incredible house, such an incredible family, and this.
But thank you, Annabel. Thank you. Thank you!
It's been beautiful. Thank you. Absolutely lovely to have you here.
Oh, and look at this.
The kangaroos will be out at sun-down.
Great. Mm.
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